Ok so it's started, the frosty mornings and do you know what that does'nt bother me, i like waking p and having cold fresh air go up my nostrils. What really pisses me off is the fact my house is right next to a car park, and the majoruty of my neighbours leave for owrk at 5 , well the ones that work. Have none of them heard of deicer...scrap scrap acrap then it steadily rises as mor epeeps leave, then you have the cars driving in to collect there work mates, engines revving horns honking doors slamming then the slip of the car as it trs to move from an icy spot. If i have a broken sleep i'm a groucy child for the rest of the day. I am going to go out and buy several cans of deicer and leave them sitting on numerous cars tonight and hopefully the hiss of the cans won't wake me up tomorrow.